tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3322543472485475876.post4655328778778775115..comments2024-01-12T00:20:22.174-12:00Comments on Machin Mania: More on the ConnoisseurMachin Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09518381259926478157noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3322543472485475876.post-19276574777650708392007-12-06T04:36:00.000-12:002007-12-06T04:36:00.000-12:00Dennis,Welcome to the wonderful world of Machins. ...Dennis,<BR/>Welcome to the wonderful world of Machins. I'll post a brief note about catalogs in a day or two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3322543472485475876.post-82568273611245719772007-12-02T04:24:00.000-12:002007-12-02T04:24:00.000-12:00I meant that I do not see how Connoisseur can prod...I meant that I do not see how Connoisseur can produce a more logical consistant system of numbering the Machin issues than what Doug Myall has already constructed.<BR/>.<BR/>For those who do not have access to the Deegam's handbook, the stamps are grouped by face value and issue date. The numbers are based on the value so "DG160" is a 16p value and "DG165" is 16½p, DG1000 is a £1 issue.<BR/>.<BR/>Within that, each succeeding variety gets a number such as; <BR/>"DG160.1", or "DG160.2".<BR/>.<BR/>For those who wish to break things down into more specific minor varieties each issue can be further sub-divided as;<BR/>210.1.1<BR/>.<BR/>210.2.1<BR/>210.2.2<BR/>210.2.3<BR/>210.2.3a<BR/>210.2.3b<BR/>.<BR/>210.3.1<BR/>210.3.2<BR/>210.3.3<BR/>210.3.4<BR/>.<BR/>210.4.1<BR/>.<BR/>And so on .....<BR/>(Actually there is no 21p stamp, I just used it as an example.)<BR/>.<BR/>If there is a new discovery of a variation in the DG21.2.__ it can be added to the group as DG210.2.4 or if it is a sub-variety of, say,DG210.3.3 it can be inserted within the group as DG210.3.3a, quite simply. This happens frequently as alert collectors discover things and report them to Doug Myall so that he can verify the discovery and add it into the list in the appropriate place.<BR/>.<BR/>In the handbook, each main variety is identified as to date of issue, printer, color, gum, paper, number of bands or location, and so on.<BR/>.<BR/>Each sub-variety is further identified as to head type, numeral variety, location of the value, source and any minor detail that sets a particular stamp aside from its look alike neighbor.<BR/>.<BR/>Currently there are 27 major varieties of the 1p crimson/maroon, which are numbered from DG10.1._ through DG10.27.__, at least as far as I know. By going to the first sub-variations level, "DG10.1.1" there are almost 100 potential 1p stamps to collect. A collector who delves into the third level of sub variations which includes those with an "a", "b", and "c" designations nearly doubles that to 185 variations of this very simple "1p" stamp.<BR/>.<BR/>But the beauty of the system is the collector can decide to what level he wants to collect. After all, 27 unique 1p stamps mounted neatly on a page or two is quite impressive in its own right. <BR/>.<BR/>They are all arranged in a logical sequence. Using these numbers may seem complicated but once the collector learns how to follow it I think most will find it reasonable and easy to use.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3322543472485475876.post-48555437481793786402007-12-01T03:09:00.000-12:002007-12-01T03:09:00.000-12:00cdj1122 writes: I have the Deegam Handbook ... and...cdj1122 writes: <BR/><I>I have the Deegam Handbook ... and cannot see any way that they can produce anything more logical, more consistant and more flexible to new issues.</I><BR/><BR/>Just to be sure, is the "they" above the Deegam handbook, so you think Deegam is the more logical of the two systems? With exchange rates and everything else, a Deegam is an over $200 investment in the USA now, so I'm looking for all the advice I can get!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3322543472485475876.post-87663433714899632832007-11-30T08:55:00.000-12:002007-11-30T08:55:00.000-12:00I look froward also to the Connoisseur Catalog as ...I look froward also to the Connoisseur Catalog as a matter of curiosity. I have the old one and think some of my gray hair came from trying to comprehend their numbering system. I wish them luck and will enjoy any light that they can shed on any facet of the Machins, but I have the Deegam Handbook, both versions, <I>(As well as the Gibbons Specialized Volumes.)</I> and cannot see any way that they can produce anything more logical, more consistant and more flexible to new issues.<BR/>.<BR/>If Connoisseur prints illustrations of known varieties or lists shades it might be worthwhile to have a copy at hand.cdj1122https://www.blogger.com/profile/12791790646492118822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3322543472485475876.post-36431533473131464972007-11-30T01:44:00.000-12:002007-11-30T01:44:00.000-12:00Larry,Thanks for these valuable posts. I am a US ...Larry,<BR/>Thanks for these valuable posts. I am a US collector but have recently become a Machin collector (I was motivated by the article in Scott's Stamp Monthly last Spring), and continue to expand my knowledge as I press deeper. <BR/><BR/>The Machins give me an opportunity that I wish I had with the 90-year-old Washington-Franklins that, unfortunately, I can only take so far because of cost factors.<BR/><BR/>Scott's does not categorize basic Machins much beyond 4 factors: color, denomination, perfs, and printing method. The single on-line chapter in the Connoisseur catalog helped me identify printer varieties for the Millenium issues I had (Scott's lists only two varieties). I look forward to other chapters, as I have a sizable accumulation of Machins I could go through.<BR/><BR/>My question is, for some who wishes to study deeper, which direction should I go: Connoissuer or Deegam? I suppose that is wide-open question that will be difficult to answer, but it's worth asking.<BR/><BR/>As a side note, being in the USA, I am stuck with Scott's as a baseline. I attend a bourse about once a month and usually find new material at the Scott's level of categorization. There are usually a few tables where the dealers have some Machins, usually purchased from other dealers' stock. Frequently I find different Machins misidentified so it really is a case of caveat emptor when trying to be sure about what you are buying. The dealers are all very understanding and good about this, as they recognize the difficulty in proper identification. Having a Connoissuer or Deegam catalog would make the search even more rewarding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com